Our little girl is growing up and writing her own anecdotes! Read Jackie's story "Ma Routine" in French and in English, below. Mille mercis to our Francophone friend Newforest for helping with corrections. (The picture was taken when Jackie was 7… and lagging behind on a field trip… in time to cueillir quelques fleurs.)
se maquiller (seuh ma kee ay) verb
: to put on makeup
le maquillage = makeup
le maquilleur (la maquilleuse) = makeup artist
Example sentence:
Selon vous, à partir de quel âge une fille peut-elle commencer à se maquiller pour aller en cours? In your opinion, from what age can a girl begin to wear makeup to class?
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Ma Routine… par Jackie Espinasse, 13 ans
In the morning I wake up between 7:00 and 7:10. My mom has to wake me up because, at that hour, I am still too tired to open my eyes and get out of bed! (Mom) makes me wake up because I really have to go to school (to junior high).
When I wake up, my first reflex is to look out the little window in my hallway to see what the weather is like outside; next, I go down the stairs and see my dogs, who are always excited at this hour because they want me to feed them breakfast.
So, I serve them something to eat, then, after, I eat while half asleep.
When I finish eating I go back up to my room, I turn on the radio, and I get dressed – all the while listening to music. Then, I fix my hair and, while fixing my hair I always ask myself the same question: “Why don’t my parents want me to put on makeup?” Personally, I do not like my face without base makeup, without black eyeliner, without (liquid) liner, and without mascara. If you ask me, I find it sad that my parents deprive me of makeup (to wear to school) because, what’s more, it is my makeup that I have paid for myself with my pocket money!
To all readers: Would you, please, tell my parents that this is not fair? Well, anyway, after this little morning routine, I brush my teeth and, finally, around 8:10, Mom drives me in the car to school. So there you have it. P.S.: I don’t like junior high!
(READ IT IN FRENCH NOW…)
Le matin je me lève entre sept heures et sept heures dix. C’est ma mère qui est obligée de me réveiller, car à cette heure-là, je suis encore trop fatiguée pour ouvrir les yeux et sortir du lit ! Elle m’oblige à me lever, car il faut bien que j’aille au collège.
Quand je me lève, mon premier réflexe c’est de regarder à la petite fenêtre de mon couloir pour voir quel temps il fait dehors. Ensuite, je descends les escaliers, et je vois mes chiens qui sont toujours excités à cette heure-là car ils veulent que je leur donne leur petit déjeuner.
Alors, je leur sers à manger, puis, après, je mange, tout en étant à moitié endormie.
Quand j’ai fini de manger, je monte dans ma chambre, j’allume la radio, et je m’habille tout en écoutant de la musique. Puis je me coiffe et, en me coiffant, je me pose toujours cette même question: « Pourquoi mes parents ne veulent-ils pas que je me maquille ? » Moi, personnellement, je n’aime pas mon visage quand il est sans fond de teint, sans crayon noir, sans liner, et sans mascara ! Pour ma part, je trouve ça triste que mes parents me privent de maquillage pour aller au collège car, en plus de ça, c’est mon maquillage que j’ai payé moi-même, avec mon argent de poche!
« A tous les lecteurs » :
Pouvez-vous, s’il vous plaît, dire à mes parents que c’est injuste ?
Mais bon, bref, après cette petite routine matinale, je me brosse les dents, et finalement, vers huit heures dix, Maman me conduit en voiture au collège.
Et voilà.
P.S. : Je n’aime pas le collège !
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Here is my translation. Feel free to edit and or add your own.
“My Routine…” by Jackie Espinasse, 13-years-old
In the morning I wake up between 7:00 and 7:10. My mom who has to wake me up because, at that hour, I am still too tired to open my eyes and get out of bed! (Mom) makes me wake up because I really have to go to school (to junior high).
When I wake up, my first reflex is to look out the little window in my hallway to see what the weather is like outside; next, I go down the stairs and see my dogs, who are always excited at this hour because they want me to feed them breakfast.
So, I serve them something to eat, then, after, I eat while half asleep.
When I finish eating I go back up to my room, I turn on the radio and I get dressed – all the while listening to music. Then, I fix my hair and, while fixing my hair I always ask myself the same question: “Why don’t my parents want me to put on makeup?” Personally, I do not like my face without base makeup, without black eyeliner, without (liquid) liner, and without mascara. If you ask me, I find it sad that my parents deprive me of makeup (to wear to school) because, what’s more, it is my makeup that I have paid for myself with my pocket money!
“To all readers”:
Would you, please, tell my parents that this is not fair?
Well, anyway, after this little morning routine, I brush my teeth and, finally, around 8:10, Mom drives me in the car to school.
So there you have it.
P.S.: I don’t like junior high!
“Wait, I think I’ve seen a duck,” “Forget the duck look at my kangaroo impersonation!”
Hi Jackie,
I don’t live very far from you, a little south in the BdR. One of daughters is almost 13 and I don’t let her wear make-up to”collège” yet. My idea is that she can wear it when she goes to the “lycee”. But when she goes to a party with her friends, then, she can wear all the make-up she wants. Sorry if I’m not any help for your cause.
ps Our dog Duffy would love to come and jump in those vines with Braise and Smokey!
hi jackie! I support your cause, but understand your parents at the same time. How about a compromise? I think you should be able to wear base makeup and maybe a little but of lipgloss…but not much more! You have so many years ahead of you to wear makeup! Besides, I think you have a very pretty face and makeup would hide that! Not very long ago I was in highschool (7 yrs ago), and when I look back at some of the pics I cant believe all the gunk I put on my face! Now, Im 25 and wear very little makeup. Let us know what the verdict is! saludos desde españa 😉
Hi Jackie.
Thanks for writing this story. It really helps me with my French.
My daughter is 16 and when she first started wearing makeup she was about your age. When she bought her own, we let her wear A LITTLE bit – no heavy liners and no foundation to school. On weekends she could wear more but ended up having breakouts on her face.
There are two things I always told my daughter: 1. the more macquillage you wear the worse you’ll THINK you look when you don’t wear it. It plays tricks on you. 2. Several times in my life, boys told me that they LOVED that I didn’t wear all of that makeup like other girls wore. In truth, I did wear SOME but I guess it looked more natural.
Anyway – you have stunning natural looks. We are not all blessed with that trait. Have fun with your femininity but show your beauty as naturally as you can.
Keep writing!! You are VERY good.
Oh my gosh – my daughter is 18, not 16 – your really transported back in time this morning! Time for another cup of coffee!!
Braise: “I’ve just got to break out of this 2 bit farm again. I dream of my free days in Marseilles with my love.”
Smokey: “Not me. Nope. Yippee. Good in here. Bad out there. Not me. Nope. Yippee.”
Angela and Karen. I am cracking up re your thought bubbles. Excellent!!! Thanks for the belly laughs. Well done 🙂
Meredith, Lorena, and Karen, Merci for sharing your views on make-up. Max, Jackie’s brother, prefers girls sans maquillage (or with so little that you can’t tell anyway!).
Duffy, Braise and Smokey say youre welcome to cruise the vines with them, anytime.
Kristin,
Thanks for letting us get to know Jackie a bit better. She seems to have her mom’s flair for telling a story!
My wife Bettie and I had a wonderful “Rouge-Bleu” wine dinner Wednesday night at Bouchon in Asheville. Meeting Jean-Marc and listening to him talk about his wines was a special treat. We really enjoyed the Mistral and Dentelle and were very impressed at what he has accomplished. I can see why you’re proud of him! I was also impressed that several of your readers came from as far as Georgia and Alabama to participate!
Here’s my attempt:
Regarde, Smokey, il ya une caille!
Au diable avec ca, Maman, j’entends l’ouverture de porte du frigo!
And what I’m trying to have them say:
Look, Smokey, there’s a quail!
To heck with that, Mom, I hear the fridge door opening!
Jackie, merci milles fois pour le redaction. (Sorry I can’t do accents at all in this program.)
Kristin-Ah, la guerre de maquillage…goes with the age. And if it’s not that it’s the war-of-something-else. One wonders where one’s charming child went and who this obnoxious stranger is! The poor parents need to keep their circle of loving rules & standards firmly linked around their offspring, who will beat & beat against these bars. It may take years for those children to acknowledge that the rules often saved them from folly and those standards helped them to become strong and good adults.
Courage!
Jackie, here’s a man’s perspective. If that is your picture that accompanies the story, your “need” for make-up is minimal at best totally unnecessary at worst. I too believe less is more. When I was growing up we used to watch a TV program called “Father knows best”. I used to laugh at that thought, but now, looking back, it was true. Mom and Dad, having more life experience than I, usually (read “always”) knew better than I, the right decisions to make. Of course, every once in a while they let me make my own mistakes so I could learn from experience and not just instruction. One last thought; any boy who is worthy of you will be much less concerned by what or how much make up you wear than by the song that your character sings to his heart.
Cher Jackie –
Je suis désolé, mai tes parents ont raison. Ma femme et mois, nous ne permettrons pas notre fille se maquiller (sauf les occasions spécials) jusqu’à ce qu’elle ira aux lycée.
En plus de ça, ton visage est tres jolie sans le maquillage (dans les photos de ta mère, pas ci-dessus, bien sûr). Quand on n’aime pas son visage, c’est tres triste.
Amicalement,
M. Paddock
I loved the story …and I am so happy that I was able to translate so much of it. “Car” gave me trouble. I am not familiar with that. With the translation, I would say “my mom FORCES me” rather than “OBLIGES me,” just because that sounds more like something a teenager would say over here. :). You know, so VERY dramatic!
Amy
Florida
(walt Disney world @ the moment)
Jackie,
I understand your frustration, but with that face, who needs le maquillage? Let others be jealous of your natural beauty – beauty that they can’t even get from a bottle…
Kristi – I love the picture – and laughed out loud at your caption!!
Braise: Rabbit!
Smokey: Bacon! Less work.
Chere Jackie,
La fille cherche d’etre femme. La plupart des femmes cherchent d’etre encore une fille. C’est la force de son ame qui reste.
Amicablement,
Nicholas Nixon
Boston, MA
I loved reading this and was happy that I could read every word in French. Your daughter is darling and I’m sure makeup is not really needed, but it is fun. My granddaughter, at 15, has a ton of it. Maybe when Jackie is 15 she will also hang out at the French version of Ulta!
It is nice to know that teens are the same all over the world! Jackie you are beautiful like your mother and grandmother.
They are both very wise women so listen to their advice and stories well. Enjoy your youth. Life is short.
Hi Jackie,
Thanks for your story. I was surprised that I could understand most of it. I think you are beautiful without make-up but I understand all young women want to try it. I believe my daughter Tara was in 8th grade when I allowed her to use a little foundation, lip gloss, eyeshadow and mascara. I think it enhances your beauty if you don’t overdo it! Make it natural looking. I never allowed Tara to use kohl or dark liner around her eyes. It is just to severe and not natural looking. Whenever she had to go to a dance or the prom she would always ask me to do her make-up because she liked the way I put it on so it was natural.
I don’t know if you have Bare Minerals in France but it is a very nice powder foundation that looks natural. They make blush and eye shadows too.
Hi Jackie,
I loved reading your essay; thank you for giving us a glimpse of your daily routine. The question about make-up and when it’s ok to start wearing it to school is one that has divided parents and daughters for a long time! I will soon be having this same dialogue with my own daughter. I think that today make-up can mean different things to parents and their teenage daughters. For teens, it’s often a way of not just looking better, but distinguishing yourself as an individual–like clothing, a kind of artistic expression about who you are. For parents, make-up can be about looking older, growing up too fast, being influenced by cultural dictates about how females “should” look, and attracting the wrong kind of attention. What are your parents’ specific concerns? I’m all for self expression, but within reasonable limits… I like what other readers have said about finding a compromise. By the way, you are a beautiful girl and I’m betting a lot of your friends don’t think you need make-up to improve your looks!
Salut Jackie
Comme tous les autres lecteurs te l’on dit, tu es tres belle sans maquillage. Mais je te comprends absolument,car je suis blonde et pale aussi et un peu de rimmel et de rose sur les joues aident beaucoup. Ma maman ne m’a jamais laisse mettre de maquillage avant 17 ans…et on se disputait a ce sujet tous les jours!!! Ma fille Lily a 16 ans, et quand elle a eu 14 ans et qu’elle a voulu se maquiller un peu, je lui ai dit OK, mais comme toi elle se paye ses produits, alors elle les economisait en se maquillant pour sortir. A 16 ans elle se maquillait pour aller a l’ecole, mais son nouveau boyfriend l’aime mieux sans, alors maintenent elle ne se maquille presque plus.( et je la trouve mieux sans…)
Si tu n’aimes pas le college, pourquoi gaspiller ton maquillage pour y aller?
Je suis sure que ta maman te laisserait mettre du rimmel sur tes cils, parceque si tu as les cils blonds comme moi, je mets du rimmel marron et ca aide vachement pour faire ressortir les yeux.
L’autre chose qui aide beaucoup pour la paleur c’est le soleil ( avec beaucoup de creme solaire) et l’exercise, 2 produits de beaute naturels et gratuits!!!
J’ai oublie de dire que les fonds de teint et les poudres te bouchent les pores et puis tout d’un coup tu as plein de boutons…c’est pas facile d’etre ” a teen” ( une ado) mais tu as de la chance d’etre nee tres belle !!!
J’epere faire ta connaissance cet ete et je t’amenerai des nouveaux maquillages pour ta collection.
Et tu ecris tres bien.
Et ton papa m’a dit que tu parles bien anglais aussi!!
Jackie, When in doubt, go with the pros! When convenient, have your mother take you to a professional make-up artist. It will be worth the effort and money compared to the debates between you and your parents. Let a professional make-up artist show you how to apply just enough for your special face. Honestly, the photo shows waaaaaaaaay too much make up on you and I live in Texas where women like to load on the eyeliner!!!
Good Luck!
Jackie – you encourage me! I completely understood your essay and did not require any translation.
You are so pretty and the make up makes you look terrible! I agree with the comment that you should go to a make up artist if you must wear make up at all. Like most young women who start wearing makeup – you apply too much and the wrong colors. Make up should enhance your natural beauty but if the photo is what you look like in make up it makes you look like a “lady of the nigt”.
Jackie, merci pour l’histoire sur ta routine matinale. Bravo, tu écris merveilleusement bien. J’en étais ravie. Mon point de vue c’est plutôt celui de tes parents. C’est, je dois dire, le point de vue d’une femme qui a passé l’age de cette beauté fraiche que tous les filles de ton age possèdent ! Je sais qu’elles n’apprecient pas leur beauté naturelle et vraiment, c’est dommage. D’ailleurs, tu a une beauté tout à fait unique. Peut-ètre pour les fêtes, tu pourrais te maquiller un peu, mais pour tous les jours, tu n’en pas besoin.
Jackie, less eyeliner, some lipgloss, a natural base and a bit of mascara. Gosh, you are so beautiful you can make all the other girls jealous with your gorgeous looks sans the make-up. It’s hard for Moms and Dads to see their daughters (and sons) grow up. Be patient with them. 😉
Dear Jackie,
I am so happy that you took the time to write about your feelings. Please write as often as possible. Your next subject is “What I like to do on the weekends”. As far as makeup goes, I say the less is better
Dear Jackie,
The trick to make up – which you don’t need because you are absolutely gorgeous with out it – is to apply it so it appears you are not wearing any. If you learn how to do that, everyone will be happy. Your Mom won’t be able to tell you’re wearing it :)!
If I was there, I would show you how.
However, the most important thing is to know that you are a natural beauty and be grateful for that. It’s a blessing that you will grow to appreciate.
Dear Jackie,
Tu es magnifique sans maquillage.
Je comprends aussi pourquoi tu es tentee de ressembler a beaucoup d’autres jeunes filles qui se maquillent…
Un peu de mascara, un gloss sur tes levres et cela suffit…Surtout protege ta peau contre les intemperies.
Gros bisous
Joelle Mandica Ramsey – Waco, Texas.
Jackie, when I was your age my parents didn’t allow me to wear any makeup other than lipstick. A popular girl wore a lot of makeup and said she was envious of my unblemished skin. My suggestion would be, don’t use a foundation/base, take it easy on the eyeliner except for special occasions. You are a beautiful young woman and sometimes less is more is the best rule with makeup. That is…less makeup makes you look more beautiful.
Jackie,
Your story reminded me just how much I hated junior high school … I don’t know anyone who liked it. When I was your age, lip gloss only for school and some mascara and eyeliner for parties.
My 17 year old goddaughter started wearing make-up when she was your age but I’m not sure she wore it to school. She is now a professional ballerina so she wears heavy theatrical make-up for performances. She did a lot of research online to purchase make-up that would not harm her young skin and was also not tested on animals.
My recommendation is to do this gradually.
Chere Jackie, c’est dommage que tu n’aimes pas le collège. Mon fils n’a pas aimé le collège, non plus, mais il a adoré le lycée! Alors, courage! Il faut beaucoup de courage quand tu es une “teen”. J’ai enseigné dans un collège le plus part de ma carrière. C’est pas facile d’être jeune. Mais tu as de la chance car tu as deux parents qui t’aiment et qui veulent te protéger. Continue, s’il te plaît, avec tes écritures et donne-nous un autre histoire bientôt! Merci! Dis à ta mère “bonjour”. Bisous!
Hi! Jackie,
A Grandma talking here . I think 13 is too young for make up . I’m sure you have beautiful skin , so don’t ply it with make-up now . When you are 17 perhaps ? You will find eventually as you get older it will look better on a more mature face .As Bernard Shaw said ” Youth is wasted on the young”,or in other words don’t try & grow up too quickly.
By the way I was a teacher & the girls at my school were not allowed to wear ANY make-up at all until they were in the 6th form & aged 17/ 18 and then only very light make-up.
Stay young & beautiful !!
Hi Suzanne, this is such a small world, yesterday I was looking at photo’s of your goddaughter on your FB page. In a way she reminded me of Jackie while I was admiring her photo’s – she is indeed beautiful, classical, exotic, and European beauty all mixed up into one beautiful young lady.XOXO JULES
If Jackie is a responsible girl, (as a mother of two college age girls) I’d say let her make decisions on things that are not really serious matters. My concern on the other hand, is that she thinks she does not LIKE her face without makeup.
Jackie,
My mother did not permit me to wear make-up either when I was in junior high. That was in the early 1980s when heavy make-up was all the rage. Fortunately, when I started 8th grade, she relented and I piled on the blue eyeshadow and black eye liner an inch thick. I cringe looking back at those photos from my youth. Vous etes si belle avec une visage au naturel!
Marilyn
(Avocate, Orlando, FL, 40 ans)
Hi Jackie!,
It’s funny but I’ve copied your commentaries and now It’s apart of my collection to help me further to learn French! See I’m from Jamaica and I love languages and French is my fave, but enough about me… I too had your problem, when I was 14 in Catholic school ( all girls ) I wore mascara all the time and kept getting in trouble aka “detention”.. so I feel your pain but hang in there.. wait hey did you know there is mascara that has a clear liquid that gives your lashes definition, without the color? here is a really cool website for skin care http://www.dhc.com , maybe share it with Kristine hmm maybe the tides will turn in your favor! Lol take care and grow with grace!
While your picture is quite lovely, perhaps that’s the problem. I’m sure you’ve scared your father to death! He knows how beautiful you are with and without makeup and now all the world (read: teen-age boys) will realize it too. I teach at a high school in El Paso, Texas. Generally girls begin wearing eye-liner and mascara at 14, in the 8th or 9th grade. Hopefully 14 is not too far off for you!
Great story Jackie, less is more…
“Smokey, mom got a go, got a go, got a go now!!!”
I teach French in Greenville, South Carolina. We just finished a chapter on daily routines and reflexive verbs. This was great to show to my students!!!
When my daughter was 13, and insisting on wearing makeup, “All my friends are wearing it.” her mother and I forbade her wearing it. After a particularly heated exchange she stormed out of the house to her friend’s house across the street, was gone for several hours, came home with her hair cut and vividly died, in a spikey purple mohawk.
Jackie, merci beaucoup for your contribution to FWAD. I guess my French classes are paying off because I didn’t need the translation to understand anything.
As for the makeup issue I’d say from all the photos your mother has posted that you just do not need the makeup to improve your looks. All through my daughter’s young life (before junior high/middle school) professional photographers would stop me and and give me their cards in case my daughter wanted to start modeling. She didn’t. But she knew people thought she was beautiful. But in middle school she started piling on the eye make-up “because everyone was doing it.” I think the overloading of make-up she does has taken away from her natural beauty.
So here is my suggestion for you and your mother. Make a compromise of no make-up at school (except gloss) until high school, but you can wear it on the weekend and for major events. And visit a make-up counter together to have a professional show you how the “less is more” system really is the way to go.
Can’t add any thought bubbles for the dogs better than what others have said.
And Kristin — I LOVED the piece about you, Jules, and Jackie. How did I miss this?
Thank you for sharing your story, Jackie. Very sweet.. keep writing. Less is more definitely! And the question is; why do we want to wear makeup? To look like all the rest? runway girls at best. Think ‘makeup’ vs. ‘enhancement’. A la natural enhancement is the BEST way to focus on the light that shines from within. When that light shines, no makeup can enhance it’s beauty. It’s a much larger statement to make.
Jackie-
Thank you for your story. You are a beautiful girl, just like your maman! You did a lovely job with your make-up, however, it is dramatic and more appropriate for an evening look. A fresh face is better for the day-time, if you feel you want to accentuate your beauty. Instead of utilizing foundation, go bare with a little lip gloss.(There are some with SPF 15 or 20 to protect them) Use a moisturizer with a little sunscreen every day to preserve your lovely complexion. Foundation is to even out uneven skin tones, (dark rings under eyes and dark spots)so protect your skin so you will never need it. I like a little bit of an earthy colored (brownish black)eyeliner on the top lid, at the outer third of the lash line to open up my eyes a little, lip gloss and clear mascara. Soon enough, your parents will let you wear the dramatic make-up at parties or on special occasions. I am positive that you don’t need make-up, though!! 🙂
Salut Jackie,
Tu es déjà très belle sans maquillage! Profite bien de ta jeunesse et la beauté naturelle de ta peau. Je suis bien d’accord avec la phrase écrite ici “less is more”.
Dear Jackie,
When I was 12 I wanted to wear a little mascara and foundation, but my dad said no. I remember it as an unhappy time. I vowed if I ever had a daughter I would not repeat my dad’s mistake. I never had a daughter, but here’s my chance to offer some insight. As my mother once told me, always wear clothing and make-up that makes you feel comfortable in your own skin. I think my mom understood how important it was for me to wear a little make-up. I had very red hair, white-white skin, and pale lashes and I looked like a ghost without make-up. So . . . I’m on your side of this issue, as long as you don’t go overboard. Ultimately, though, honor your mother and father and do as they instruct. That’s what I did at your age, and I don’t regret it. Best wishes, Debra Houston, Lilburn GA
I LOVED reading Jackie’s essay! It was really ood to read a whole story in French – and with words and actions which are so normal… I agree with one of the readers above, that Jackie seems so stunning just naturally, that she may not need makeup right now. But, I do understand that with blond hair, that sometime, one’s eyes seem to fad into the background. So, I would think that some liner or light shadows might “feel” good. (Sorry Kirsten)
I loved Jackie’s story and I really enjoy reading a whole story in French. I facilitate a conversation class at my Senior Centre each week but I find reading a story in French is most enjoyable and helpful..More from Jackie?
Jackie, I would just say don’t rush it! I wish I didn’t feel like I had to wear make up just to leave the house I would love to have a young, beautiful face like you once again. You’ve got so many years to wear it and high school is just around the corner. (I’m pleased I was able to read and understand most of your story in French!)
Salut Jackie!
I think I was 11 or 12 years old when I started using make-up, but it was only mascara and lip gloss. I always thought “Less is More”, so try to keep it looking natural. You are a very pretty girl and you really don’t need it.
I enjoyed reading your story this morning in French. I remember feeling the same when I was your age. Later in life, being able to wear make-up or not really won’t be as important as it feels right now.
Le moment, j’etais lecteur en francais…je ne compend pas une phrase, alors…pal mal…C’est Bon…non?!! 🙂
Merci beaucoup pour votre histoire!
Aloha Jackie & Kristin. Jackie, congratulations on this effort to write and express yourself … you have just contributed to the world around you by performing this action. Sharing your thoughts with others is a noble endeavor indeed. Kristin, congratulations on your path of nurturing and providing a great example to your daughter … you have just contributed to the world around you by facilitating another creative mind in your own wonderful mold. HOWEVER, Ladies, I choose to not weigh in on the “Makeup Chronicles” because, as every wise man knows, putting oneself in the center of a Mother/Daughter issue is certain disaster! I will graze on berries from the other side of the mountain while Mama and Daughter pass and discuss the current issue .. to live another day! Mahalo Nui Loa for sharing, Ladies. Aloha, Bill Facker